Breaking Windows

What's a fake turtleneck? Is that one that isn't made from a real turtle's neck?

Dual Core, Dual processor Mac pros. Oh my

And using Woodcrest Xeon to boot. Probably would not have been able to get Conroe into them for WWDC.

The base price of $2499 is even more amazing, with 1 GB of RAM no less.

If I get my choice, which I should, I will be ordering the new 3.0 Ghz Mac Pro for my new job ;)

And LKM, I can't tell if you are joking or not. Jobs is well known for wearing a black mock turtleneck. It was quite late when I posted this, and wrote "fake." So that is probably why you are poking fun.

Leopard preview is quite amazing as well. Time Machine? That came out of left field.

Oh, and they would not have been able to do the quad (dual core, dual proc) with Conroe.

I am, however, offended at the ethics of the Apple press conference. Is it right to say windows stole features from OS X that Linux had done prior? Or to show off 10.5's Spaces which are nothing more the virtual desktops which have been a Gnome standard for as long as i can remember?

The pettyness really needs to stop. I want to hear Apple saying, "This is what makes us better!", not, "This is what Bill Gates has stolen from us." Job's really needs to give the old rivalry a rest. Show the world what a Mac can do that a PC can't, don't show the world what a PC can now do aswell.

And LKM, I can't tell if you are joking or not.

Me neither :-)

English not being my first language, I wasn't sure whether "fake turtle neck" was actually the correct term or not.

I am, however, offended at the ethics of the Apple press conference. Is it right to say windows stole features from OS X that Linux had done prior? Or to show off 10.5's Spaces which are nothing more the virtual desktops which have been a Gnome standard for as long as i can remember?

Are you serious? You're offended because of some stupid marketing gimmick (which I personally found to be rather funny, by the way).

I want to hear Apple saying, "This is what makes us better!", not, "This is what Bill Gates has stolen from us."

He's doing both. Man, the Windows jabs are just for fun, like those weird Mac/PC ads. And the Mac/Windows screenshots actually were somewhat astonishing, weren't they? Why should Apple not point that out? Seriously, lighten up.

Look LKM, it's not often I'm offended by anything, but Apple dedicating a chunk of their presentation to bashing Vista for stealing good idea's and then turning around and showing off the idea's they've stolen from linux and other 3rd-party devs isn't the right way to do business. I feel very strongly that dirty politics, which is the game Apple was playing, is not ok.

As for lightening up, it's not like this is breaking me down. I still have the same opinions about Apple i had before the show, and I am still planning to drop about $4500 on the 3.0 GHz tower when 10.5 is released.

I just don't like the way they handled themselves at the conference, or in the Mac/PC ads. The only reason apple doesn't have viruses is because no one can be bothered, not because it's secure. The PC is just as capable of running OS X as the Mac is of running windows. Every one of their PC/Mac ads, had a short coming. But it's merely my personal opinion on that style of business, it has nothing to do with Apple themselves.

So basically, you think people who are offended by racist ads are stupid, but it's okay to be offended if Steve Jobs makes a joke about Microsoft - a company which regularly lifts Apple's concepts and which is a monopolist convicted of multiple illegal activities against its competitors. Got it.

Now if Apple had actually tried to sue Microsoft or something, then I'd be angry, too. They didn't. They're actually showing good sportsmanship about Microsoft's actions, making jokes about it instead of going to the courts.

The only reason apple doesn't have viruses is because no one can be bothered, not because it's secure

And this, my friend, is bullshit. Which is my qualified opinion as a Master of Software Engineering who was forced to attend years of lectures on IT security.

And, uhm, if you think Apple "stole" (and I only use this term since you've used it; I think the whole concept of "stealing" ideas is absolutely insanely stupid - stealing ideas is good for progress) multiple desktops from Linux, you're a bit confused. In fact, there's been a command-line implementation of multiple desktops right in Mac OS X since the very first version. It actually came with the BSD binaries which form part of the base of Mac OS X, and it's entirely possible that it was in NeXT, too, although I'm not sure about that.

(Not to mention that Apple's particular implementation of multiple desktops pretty much destroys everything else out there. Just wait until Microsoft introduces something similar :-)

They have LKM, it is a Power Toy you have to download and install in XP. I have even written about the Virutal Desktop Manager and annoyances with it.

Njiska - from what I understand from talking with some developers, Spaces has a bunch of features that Windows and Linux virtual desktops do not have.

Also, Apple has been doing this "vs. Windows" BS for years. Many years. That is just the way you sell a product.

Just wait until Microsoft introduces something similar

They have LKM

No, I mean "similar to Apple's particular (imho supercool) implementation." Have you seen the video on Apple's site? They have features which no other virtual desktop solution has.

I think the funniest thing is that everyday at work I say everything NJISKA has been saying in his comments here and yet he rags on me. The apple/microsoft jabs will always be there. We'll never get rid of it simply because of how microsoft was formed in the OS market. I wish it would because the concentration should be on bettering not lowering.